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lok4fun500 M
51906 posts
11/6/2017 11:49 am

Some will argue it's not the guns!! I will disagree.
If they want to honor a second amendment that was written in the 1700's for life as it was then, OK, but this is over 300 years later and life and technology are far different now. It is my opinion that one doesn't need a semi-automatic rifle for protection...a hand gun will suffice.
I agree that even with gun control, there will be illegal guns on the street like there are here in Canada......BUT, ....we don't have the mass shooting that the USA has and we don't have the mass killings of innocent men, women, and CHILDREN!


GreenEyedLady_60 63F
1925 posts
11/6/2017 12:23 pm

Hallelujah Joy....I absolutely agree!

A weapon of mass destruction (semi-automatic weapons) should not be allowed to be purchased by regular citizens. They should be reserved for the military and the police who are charged with defending those citizens...and that's it!

The 2nd amendment was written over 200 years ago by men that carried muskets. Time for a reboot on that!!

This American says it's time to check our Constitution and update to consider the times we live in NOW....not 200 years ago!!

Be Honest..Be Sincere...Be REAL


ltrskr 75M

11/6/2017 12:35 pm

Thank u all for ur prayers!

BUT, as far as gun control,

A few "PRIVATE" gun owners responded and saved lives!


GreenEyedLady_60 63F
1925 posts
11/6/2017 12:38 pm

One thing that pisses me off is the NRA's slogan of Guns Don't Kill People - People Kill People!

Oddly enough the Saudi's made a great argument(in my opinion) in a piece I came across today

http://saudigazette.com.sa/article/521208/Opinion/Editorial/Enough-of-the-Guns-dont-kill-people-nonsense.

Be Honest..Be Sincere...Be REAL


GreenEyedLady_60 63F
1925 posts
11/6/2017 12:48 pm

    Quoting ltrskr:
    Thank u all for ur prayers!

    BUT, as far as gun control,

    A few "PRIVATE" gun owners responded and saved lives!
Yes...but had the shooter not been allowed, nor any private citizen be allowed to purchase a semi automatic weapon...there may not have been a need for his heroic efforts. Or at the very least....there would not have been as many killed and hurt with a "conventional" firearm/weapon!

Just like Las Vegas and all the other mass shootings in the US.

These are my opinions and you are certainly allowed yours.

My heart and prayers are absolutely with the families of those killed...injured and all of Texas. But how many times do we have to keep saying that?

Prayers don't seem to be stopping the killings.....

Be Honest..Be Sincere...Be REAL


ltrskr 75M

11/6/2017 1:08 pm

    Quoting  :

They were not vigilantes, they were citizens protecting citizens, and they did not try
to protect, they saved lives!


msag6455 74M
327 posts
11/6/2017 1:10 pm

Prayers and more prayers to those who had the right to live and breathe another day. Prayers to those who have lost someone to senseless violence. Mental health is an issue but the bigger issue is the archaic and capitalistic gun laws that allow people to buy these weapons. Automatic and semi automatic weapons have no place in the hands of anyone but the military. Guns do kill people! We are not in colonial times, we are not even in the wild wild west, but are laws are designed for those eras. We decry bomb builders because they can kill countless people but not a rifle in the hands of the same type individual that can kill just as many. Thank you for your open discussion!


interlude0065 46M

11/6/2017 1:13 pm

Prayers to all effect by this.


forgotforgetting 57M
8134 posts
11/6/2017 1:45 pm

Guns are a complicated issue for Americans. Americans a long glorified cowboy history which is seeped in equal parts racial tensions, economic divides, and mutual mistrust. For this reason, often the arguments over gun ownership are not about which rights should take precedence, but who's rights.

I agree that guns don't pull their own triggers. But this is, in the end, an excuse to ignore the underlying issues. Too often fanatical defenders of gun ownership frame their arguments as a matter of self-defense against "those people." While the more careful defenders never define who the other is, the implications are clear. The "other" is someone, anyone, who isn't like them. The otherness typically comes from racial divides but in some cases, like Texas and Las Vegas, it's mental health. In this way the defenders of gun ownership shift the argument away from the instrument death and onto the shooter. This allows the defenders to pronounce these are "normal" gun owner issues and thus, not their problem. Or for the more paranoid among them, even more reason to own a gun.

Let's be clear, a gun has only one function: to kill. I grew up in a violent neighborhood in a violent city. I've been in war zones and seen what massive firepower can do. What time and distance has shown me: the answer to firepower is not more firepower; it's less. I know the power of a gun. I choose not own a gun, not because they scare me, but because they don't.

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“Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
― Oscar Wilde


Heathen_G 65M
7974 posts
11/6/2017 2:35 pm

The age ranges were 18 months to 77 years. If someone else was carrying a gun in that church, the carnage might not have been as bad. As it was, a man [with his own gun] living across the street shot the dumbass. ....

Do you think your right to bear arms surpasses the right to live? ... incoherent question... rephrase it , I'll answer it.

Do you agree with your gun laws?...yes.

If not, how would you change them to protect the innocent from any more mass shootings? .... Oh that can never be done. Prayers are pointless too, and that comment was from a person whose sister was killed in Vegas.


Tmptrzz 61F  
107039 posts
11/6/2017 2:47 pm

This is truly so sad, my heart goes out to all the families in that Southerland Tx, as it's affected every family in that small town.

This is happening more and more often and this needs to be stopped. They need to overhaul the gun laws again, or better yet don't let anyone but authorities have guns!!!!

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wantaplay8 70M
5606 posts
11/6/2017 2:59 pm

I feel sorrow for the families that have lost loved ones. I feel sorrow for the families of the wounded people and the wounded. I feel sorrow for the people that endured those horrifying minutes. I feel sorrow about how this will affect all of their lives during their life time.
I feel anger at that Devin fool. I am glad he is dead, too bad he did not die first. Too bad he was not smart enough to seek mental help so he could cope with what ever his difficulties were. I feel sorrow for his relatives.
I feel anger because someone knew that Devin was a dangerous idiot and they did not stop him before he started killing people.


MyBaffies 54M
4983 posts
11/6/2017 3:18 pm

News report here says youngest was only 18 months old.

I don't get the gun laws over there. Even if you took an hour to explain them to me, I still don't get them. There's no need for gun ownership outside the Police and the Army.

And yet there's another incident where dozens more die. Or a kid fires a gun he found in daddy's desk and his wee sister gets killed. And absolutely nothing gets done about it.

Admittedly our gun ownership wasn't as widespread as other countries but when we had mass shootings (Hungerford, Dunblane) something was done. Yes there's still a market in guns smuggling but that's just for the gangs - let them shoot each other if they want, or let the Police deal with them.

But absolutely do not let the general public own them.

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sweet_VM 65F
81699 posts
11/6/2017 3:20 pm

ty for posting this Joy. My heart goes out to the families. I do believe in gun laws. We should have any. PS I am glad I live in Canada hugs V

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JustlomesumMe 69M
679 posts
11/6/2017 3:59 pm

Our constitution says we have the right to bare arms BUT I do not believe it should be an AK40 or assault type of weapon.

300 years ago a gun was needed to hunt for food and protect their farms. In todays age that is not needed. We should be able to only but a rifle or shotgun for hunting only. All others should be outlawed and for use by the military and law enforcement. This would also help put a stop to gang and drug violence.

So nice to be insane; no one asks you to explain.


lyctyc1000 104M
356 posts
11/6/2017 4:00 pm

The biggest problem is we can outlaw guns and have no effect example given prohibition. The crooks had the guns and the booze so noting really stopped. If you melt all the guns then there will be another weapon of choice. Imagine if he had drove a truck load of ammonia nitrate into the church and leveled a city block. Some how we have to change the culture that life has no meaning. Respect life and respect that others are entitled to opinions other than mine .yours or anyone else. Some how we have to get back to having respect for all lives.


Leegs2012 51M
96137 posts
11/6/2017 4:24 pm

Crazy shit!!!!


Banana_Canyon 45F

11/6/2017 4:25 pm

    Quoting Tmptrzz:
    This is truly so sad, my heart goes out to all the families in that Southerland Tx, as it's affected every family in that small town.

    This is happening more and more often and this needs to be stopped. They need to overhaul the gun laws again, or better yet don't let anyone but authorities have guns!!!!
..."or better yet don't let anyone but authorities have guns!!!!"

All due respect here, but do you realize how ignorant that sounds of the very rights you have? All guns in the hands of the authorities = a society that is helpless and cannot fight back if need be against tyranny. A big reason that our founding fathers added the Second Amendment ( right to keep and bear arms ) to our Constitution is for the very right for Americans to defend themselves against a tyrannical government, if need be. Do we really voluntarily want to surrender our rights away? Do we really want a government which possesses all power, all control and all firearms against it's citizens? From what's gathered here, you're fine with a repeat of 1940 Nazi Germany, where you have no rights at all, no weapons to fight back and no say in the matter. History repeats itself and apparently people still haven't learned anything from that time period yet. I respect your right to voice your opinion here, but I completely disagree with your views on that matter. No thanks, I cherish all of my my rights, and that to bear arms and will hold on to mine.


Heathen_G 65M
7974 posts
11/6/2017 5:13 pm

    Quoting  :

Why haven't you? ... Because it's incoherent.

Do you think your right to bear arms surpasses the right to live? ... Incoherent..... try again.

Guns don't kill , a person kills. Everybody knows that.

Pens don't write.... a person writes.

"Dishes don't clean themselves". When you ever said that... you meant "A person washes the dishes, or loads the dishwasher".


pacnwlover42 55M
9808 posts
11/6/2017 5:22 pm

Our forefathers couldn't have envisioned how dangerous the guns would be in the future when they created the right to bear arms. I'm not against people having guns to protect themselves, but many people have gone overboard, glorifying guns and collecting as many as they can. These people probably kick their spouse out of bed and sleep with their guns because they love them so much. It's like the Beatles song: Happiness is a warm gun.

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veryfunnycple64 60M/60F
21770 posts
11/6/2017 5:56 pm

yes, people kill people...but with a gun it gets easier!

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Heathen_G 65M
7974 posts
11/6/2017 8:23 pm

    Quoting pacnwlover42:
    Our forefathers couldn't have envisioned how dangerous the guns would be in the future when they created the right to bear arms. I'm not against people having guns to protect themselves, but many people have gone overboard, glorifying guns and collecting as many as they can. These people probably kick their spouse out of bed and sleep with their guns because they love them so much. It's like the Beatles song: Happiness is a warm gun.
Collecting guns isn't the problem.... the problem is the "Person" whom is collecting the guns. Or ...you can just say, "Mental illness", is the problem.


pacnwlover42 55M
9808 posts
11/6/2017 10:55 pm

    Quoting Heathen_G:
    Collecting guns isn't the problem.... the problem is the "Person" whom is collecting the guns. Or ...you can just say, "Mental illness", is the problem.
Yes it is! People like their guns too damn much! They are called gun lovers! They actually get a rush from shooting a high powered weapon. It is better than sex for them. They can't live without them. Nobody should love their guns that much.

Funny women are incredibly sexy!


Heathen_G 65M
7974 posts
11/7/2017 1:50 am

    Quoting pacnwlover42:
    Yes it is! People like their guns too damn much! They are called gun lovers! They actually get a rush from shooting a high powered weapon. It is better than sex for them. They can't live without them. Nobody should love their guns that much.
Not for you to say.

Loving ones hobby/collection does not make a person a killer of people.

Loving ones hobby/collection of guns, does not make a person socially dangerous , nor mentally ill.


scoupe42 60M

11/7/2017 2:15 am

I will and we will! What is this world coming to?


Heathen_G 65M
7974 posts
11/7/2017 2:27 am

    Quoting  :

I'll agree, gun accessibility needs to be made better. Meaning that the vetting system for a person to legally obtain a gun, needs to be better.

That was the problem with this Texan-bonehead. There were no indicators in his civilian record that he could be a problem, but there was in his military record. Apparently nobody looked, or nobody could access it....Big problem.

But if a person really wanted a gun, mentally ill or not, there are ways of getting one or two, besides doing it legally.

Canada only has a population of 32 million, less than that of one state , California....easier to keep a watch on people. When your population becomes 10 times that, and your gun homicide rate is still low.. then you can boast. Meanwhile 80 percent of Canadian gun deaths are suicide. Betcha they all didn't get a gun legally to do that.

One more thing.... the two civilians with their own guns , shot at, and car-chased the shooter about 14 kilometers, caused him to run off the road, and about 5 minutes later the police arrived on scene.


Heathen_G 65M
7974 posts
11/7/2017 3:04 am

    Quoting  :

There is no actual answer , except to vet better, those wanting to obtain a gun.

Because there is no way Americans are going to give up their right to have guns. Initially the right to bear arms was because "The People" were the countries militia force. So basically we [The People] still are a civilian militia.

Making the People give up their guns , is something like an invading government taking complete control. So that's not going to work.


sensualpassion72 59M/51F
3559 posts
11/7/2017 3:14 am

It is impossible to legislate morality. It is the criminal mind that already disregards laws as written.

people kill people everyday with or without the use of guns. While some guns are an extreme example of someones choices, so too are the choices of where they live and what they drive.

Why should people be allowed to drive gas guzzling behemouths that speed at rates far above the posted speed limits? when a small compact would do nicely and use far less gas.....

Do not be afraid of the man who wants many guns..... he can only use one at a time anyways..... be afraid of the man that only wants 1 gun for he has a purpose for that already...

Stas can be and are used to the benefit of arguements. They can be shaped and formed to be biased for either the "pro" side or the "con" side. People are always behind the purpose and use of everything in their lives. If no one ever picked up a gun people would still die.

I wore a uniform defending the rights of everyone in this country, I won't take away their rights which are mine also. BUT, I will demand accountability from everyone in this country for their actions.


Story435 76M
3791 posts
11/7/2017 4:39 am

Hello Joy
Prays for Texas very bad for the people their!
I don't have any guns like that and don't want any no need for one. I have my dad's old shot gun and his .22 pistol and haven't seen them for years.
Butch


Heathen_G 65M
7974 posts
11/7/2017 3:59 pm

    Quoting  :

There is nothing dangerous about gun collecting..... it's about as dangerous as stamp collecting.


pacnwlover42 55M
9808 posts
11/7/2017 6:11 pm

    Quoting Heathen_G:
    Not for you to say.

    Loving ones hobby/collection does not make a person a killer of people.

    Loving ones hobby/collection of guns, does not make a person socially dangerous , nor mentally ill.
I never said it made them killers. Bottom line: extremely dangerous weapons should only be used by people in the military. They do not belong in the hands of civilians. That is not gun control, it is common sense. Guns as a hobby, oh that's just so relaxing. Last time I checked stamp collecting didn't injure or kill anybody.

Funny women are incredibly sexy!


Heathen_G 65M
7974 posts
11/7/2017 6:51 pm

You said, " Nobody should love their guns that much." .... That's not for you to say... I meant.

People collect cars, and have a very inexpiable attachment to these cars. They love their cars. Talk to Jay Leno.

Bottom line: extremely dangerous weapons ... All weapons are extremely dangerous. Even an ancient mace. A woman's high heel shoe.... a paperclip.

should only be used by people in the military. ... I disagree. A person in the military is only a person with training in the use of that weapon. Civilians can get training. Better that they should, too, if they are going to collect them.

So again, the bottom line really is , "Compos mentis" or "Non compos mentis". .....Better vetting.

They do not belong in the hands of civilians. ...Well, on that I'd disagree too.

That is not gun control, it is common sense. .... But your "Common sense" argument is telling me a civilian doesn't need an automatic weapon. That is true, however, "Wanting to collect them" , is not "Needing" them.

Guns as a hobby, oh that's just so relaxing. Last time I checked stamp collecting didn't injure or kill anybody. .... Last time I checked, collecting guns didn't injure or kill anybody either. Using them wrong injures and kills.

Granted, if some retard came along and got their hands on a bunch of stamps, not to much would happen, unless they stuffed them up their nose.

But again..."Mental illness" is the problem. Not "Collecting".

And even so, some states have completely outlawed the sale of automatic weapons, but there is a go-around for that, some company came up with a device that turns the ordinary gun into an automatic.


Heathen_G 65M
7974 posts
11/7/2017 6:53 pm

    Quoting pacnwlover42:
    I never said it made them killers. Bottom line: extremely dangerous weapons should only be used by people in the military. They do not belong in the hands of civilians. That is not gun control, it is common sense. Guns as a hobby, oh that's just so relaxing. Last time I checked stamp collecting didn't injure or kill anybody.
One more thing... Amy Schumer is not incredibly sexy... but she is funny.


CNYMale4Fun 63M

11/8/2017 6:14 am

Thank you Joy for bringing up this subject. I've been around guns since I was a child, had to be able to field strip a Shotgun blindfolded when I was 10 so I could start to shoot.

I have no answer for this terrible issue confronting the US. Do I want the gov't to know how many and which guns I have? No. Do I want to prevent them getting into the wrong hands? Yes.

How that happens. I don't know. I do know that the NRA is not the voice for this gun owner.


Banana_Canyon 45F

11/9/2017 9:50 am

    Quoting sensualpassion72:
    It is impossible to legislate morality. It is the criminal mind that already disregards laws as written.

    people kill people everyday with or without the use of guns. While some guns are an extreme example of someones choices, so too are the choices of where they live and what they drive.

    Why should people be allowed to drive gas guzzling behemouths that speed at rates far above the posted speed limits? when a small compact would do nicely and use far less gas.....

    Do not be afraid of the man who wants many guns..... he can only use one at a time anyways..... be afraid of the man that only wants 1 gun for he has a purpose for that already...

    Stas can be and are used to the benefit of arguements. They can be shaped and formed to be biased for either the "pro" side or the "con" side. People are always behind the purpose and use of everything in their lives. If no one ever picked up a gun people would still die.

    I wore a uniform defending the rights of everyone in this country, I won't take away their rights which are mine also. BUT, I will demand accountability from everyone in this country for their actions.
"Why should people be allowed to drive gas guzzling behemouths that speed at rates far above the posted speed limits? when a small compact would do nicely and use far less gas....."

True, compacts would use far less gas and still get anyone from point A to point B. The problem is that Americans are spoiled by luxuries and are ignorant of resources on a finite planet which is based around a monetary-based economy, not a resource-based economy. The reason we drive gas guzzling behemoths is because when anything is purchased, we're essentially casting a vote in a system of supply and demand. If people demand luxury, they shall have that option without any thought being given into the fact that fuel is a finite resource and the pollution given off as a byproduct isn't actually healthy for anything living.

As for the cars being able to exceed the posted speed limits. Again, we're living in a monetary-based society. There's no reason in today's advanced state of technology that we can't produce cars that have gps type transmitters built in them which control the maximum threshold speed that car is capable of traveling in any given speed limit zone. Example: If it's a 25 mph zone, no matter how hard you press down on the gas accelerator, your car can't exceed 25 mph, controlled entirely from gps communication via satellite, just as it does for regular gps we now use when it directs us to a destination. Sounds like a no-brainer, right? So why not implement these? Because we live in a monetary society which rely on money and jobs as fuel. Implementing this would wipe out millions of useless cops that spend their days sitting in bushes along side a highway setting up speed traps. Screw safety! No speeding/traffic violation tickets = no monetary gain in revenue. Etc, etc... Human welfare comes second to that of money, if at all.


TRex1199 51M
2 posts
11/9/2017 10:55 am

Very nice. Thank you!


eyecanplsyou 67M
1242 posts
11/19/2017 8:15 am

Yes the 2nd gives the right to bear arms. It was written when there were single shot guns that had to be reloaded after every shot. maybe we should go back to when the forefathers wrote this & ban all types of auto weapons.


eyecanplsyou 67M
1242 posts
11/19/2017 9:19 am

Ah, the joys of life. If more people would slow down, relax & enjoy nature. watch the butterflies, hummingbirds ( now gone back to Mexico for the winter ) , the dragonflies as they catch & eat termites as they migrate out of dead logs after a rain or see the empty shell of a dragonfly larva on the stem of a plant sticking out of the water. I could go on & on about the things to enjoy if you only slow down if you get of of the freeway with that monster car or that little gas saver doing 90.


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